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Abu_Maryam_al_Bakistaani
12-05-2010, 08:28 PM
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I want to know what is the correct way to write the numbers between the 'hundreds' and specifically from 300-900 i.e. 301-399 / 401-499 etc. Dars 24 (i.e. the one which deals only with numbers but in detail) doesn't make this clear.

From the below which (if any) is correct:

For example if I want to say 529 male students...which of the following is correct:

1) خَمْسُمِائَةٍ و تِسْعَةٌ و عشرون طالبا

2) تِسْعَةٌ و عشرون و خَمْسُمِائَةِ طَالِبٍ

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Aaishah
12-09-2010, 08:10 PM
wa 'alaykumus salaam wa raHmatullaah wa barakaatuhu

Your first answer is correct, i.e.

‘ 529 male students ’ is constructed:

خَمْسُمِائَةٍ وَتِسْعَةٌ وَعِشْرُونَ طَالِباً

Constructing the numbers that range from 321-999, is actually very easy.

In the range 300-900, if we start with a number with tens and units added, and take the mu’rab numbers not mabniyy, then the first number in this range is: 321. We will look at this type here.

Constructing the tens and units for numbers in the range 321-999, follows the same pattern for constructing the tens and units for a number like e.g.

125.

For example:

Please notice the blue coloured words in the following sentences which reflect a common pattern in forming numbers:

125 male students passed =

نَجَحَ مِائَةٌ وَخَمْسَةٌ وَعِشْرُونَ طَالِباً

147 male students passed =

نَجَحَ مِائَةٌ وَسَبْعَةٌ وَأَرْبَعُونَ طَالِباً

We would now follow the pattern (in blue) for writing the tens and units in, e.g. :

529 male students passed :

نَجَحَ خَمْسُمِائَةٍ وَتِسْعَةٌ وَعِشْرُونَ طَالِباً

693 male students passed :

نَجَحَ سِتُّمِائَةٍ وَثَلاَثَةٌ وَتِسْعُونَ طَالِباً

999 male students passed :

نَجَحَ تِسْعُمِائَةٍ وَتِسْعَةٌ وَتِسْعُونَ طَالِباً

So our Shaykh has given the principles governing numbers in the Key, and followed that with copious examples of numbers in the main lesson - which - when practised sufficiently - reveal some obvious patterns.

(You have done well to get it right first time, maa shaa?allaah.)

Additional Benefit:

Regarding the numbers reaching thousands, then Shaykh Abdur Rahim informed me that it is permissible to construct these numbers, starting from the largest number first – the thousands, and not starting from the smallest number first – the units.

But the Shaykh said it is better to start with the units and to follow the order mentioned in the Key to lesson 24.

i.e. So to construct a number like :

6543

- it is better to start with the units, then go to the tens, then hundreds, then thousands (and not the opposite order).

The Shaykh gave a further example for a number in this range:

يَدْرُسُ بِالْمَدْرَسَةِ خَمْسَةٌ وَثَلاَثُونَ وَسِتُّمِائَةٍ وَأَلْفُ طَالِبٍ.

1635 students study at the school.

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The respected Shaykh confirmed that this reply I have just provided you, is correct.

Hope you find it helpful - in shaa Allaah.

Wassalaam

Abu_Maryam_al_Bakistaani
12-20-2010, 08:42 AM
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I have one last question in shaa Allaah...just as a means to enhance my understanding in shaa Allaah. Is the below sentence correct?

عِنْدِيْ تِسْعَةٌ و تِسْعُوْنَ و تِسْعُمِائَةٍ وتِسْعَةٌ و تِسْعُوْنَ و تِسْعُمِائَةِ أَلْفِ رِيَالٍ

I am trying to say: "I have 999,999 riyal"

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Aaishah
12-24-2010, 01:41 PM
wa 'alaykumus salaam wa raHmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

I have contacted our Shaykh - حَفِظَهُ اللهُ for confirmation.

Wassalaam

Aaishah
12-26-2010, 07:41 AM
Assalaamu 'alaikum Brother Abu Maryam,

Our Shaykh Abdur Rahim (may Allaah preserve him) confirmed your construction above is correct, i.e:

‘I have 999, 999 riyaals’ :

عِنْدِيْ تِسْعَةٌ وتِسْعُوْنَ وتِسْعُمِائَةٍ وتِسْعَةٌ
وَتِسْعُوْنَ و تِسْعُمِائَةِ أَلْفِ رِيَالٍ

The Shaykh mentioned two other ways of expressing this:

1. عِنْدِي أَلْفُ أَلْفِ رِيَالٍ إِلاَّ رِيَالاً

'indii alfu alfi riyaalin ?illaa riyalan

Or,

2. عِنْدِي مَلْيُونُ رِيَالٍ إِلاَّ رِيَالاً

'indii malyuun-u riyaalin ?illaa riyaalan

(I have one million riyaals except one)

جزى اللهُ شيخَنا خيراً


This is now being placed as a 'sticky' for everyone to benefit from it in shaa Allaah.

Wassalaamu 'alaikum

Abu_Maryam_al_Bakistaani
12-28-2010, 11:32 AM
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